Episode 4 transcript

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Chad (00:00.982)
Hello and welcome back to the Aural Mess podcast. I'm Chad, your host. This is our fourth episode and I'm joined tonight by Dave Detjen Dave, how you doing?

David Detjen (00:10.599)
Hey, I'm great, Chad.

Chad (00:12.502)
Great, well, great to have you on the show. David and I met a couple of years ago, I think now on Twitter. We were both involved in some music challenges and sort of found a shared love for Steely Dan and tenor saxophone and all saxophones, I guess. And just had like a really kind of crossover taste in music. So when I started up this thing and I was asking for people to come on and...

hang out with me, Dave raised his hand, so here we are. So why don't you tell us just a bit about yourself.

David Detjen (00:45.243)
Oh yeah, thanks, Chad. Yeah, you know, I love music. I think in the last 10 or 20 years, I've even gotten into it more. I played a little bit when I was younger. I think you did too. So I think that's part of it. You get, you know, that kind of gets into your blood.

And then, you know, as I've gotten older, it's become a real, uh, Advocation. My dad who was really into music would always say music, you know, music's a great hobby, but you don't want to make it your, your livelihood. Um, and I guess I took that, you know, to heart, but at the same time as I've gotten older, I've really, you know,

discovered deep love for a lot of different kind of music and getting more into the nuance and things like that. Over this past summer, summer of 23, I worked with a partner to put together a Sunday kind of listen thing where we would pick a different band every week and Steely was one of them obviously and we'd then select some of the top songs and it was just so fun because we'd spend two or three hours every week just going through

the catalog of the different artists and what I found from that is I'm finding out music that I didn't even know existed and that's one of the great things about the community that we have and certainly you're part of that and sharing your wisdom and knowledge and if we all share a little bit we're all going to grow together and that's what really is my passion. I love learning new stuff. So that's why I'm here.

Chad (02:19.702)
That's great. And I think we share that passion because that's why I started the podcast. It was just, you know, sort of a creative outlet for me, but also to be able to share not so much my knowledge. I mean, you know, I don't know everything and I'm always learning new things about music and discovering music I never knew before, never heard before, even from artists that I was relatively familiar with. So it's just been great. And my goal is to just, you know, talk to some folks, see what they're into and, you know, share out some shared learning. So here we are.

Cool, so why don't we jump into what I thought was an interesting topic. You know, we had been emailing about things to talk about on the episode and I liked what you sent me, which was maybe we could dig through our 2023 top artists and then our 2023 top songs via our respective Spotify raps. So why don't you go first? Talk me through your top five artists and you know.

David Detjen (03:10.235)
Yeah.

David Detjen (03:14.247)
I will, and let me just tell you a quick back story on this. I've been on Spotify maybe three, four years, something like that. And, but what actually got me, I have a 26 year old and when she was in college, and by the way, she went to Madison, when she was in college, she came home one semester and said, Dad, guess what my number one song was for the year? So I have no idea. She said it was Bill Withers, Lovely Day. Well, it's a song that was like back in our era, you know, and I'd always loved that song. And so I said, how did you know

Chad (03:16.692)
Yeah.

Chad (03:37.037)
Oh wow.

sure.

David Detjen (03:44.061)
number one song she said well it's on this thing called Spotify and I said you gotta show me this and so I'm like well this is pretty cool I was on Pandora one of the other platforms before that but just the fact that you got this wrapped I thought was such a cool thing so every year I look forward to it and right around Thanksgiving you know you start wow it's coming out soon and you get excited yeah exactly yeah so

Chad (04:06.726)
You start playing stuff that looks cool. Try to game it, yeah.

David Detjen (04:12.511)
So it's interesting and I guess I wouldn't qualify for your podcast if Steely Dan wasn't on the list. But you know, here's the interesting thing. It wasn't number one and that in a way it surprises me, you know, but the number one artist for me last year was Jamiroquai. I don't know if you're familiar with them, but I really, there's a whole backstory in how I found out about them, but you know, that's one of them. Number two was Earth, Wind & Fire.

Chad (04:30.914)
Sure, yeah.

Chad (04:42.338)
Solid choice.

David Detjen (04:42.525)
dealing to end number four, Swing Out Sister. Yeah, and then number five, Chicago. And so fortunately this summer I'm gonna, I've seen Earth Wind and Fire in Chicago separately, but I'm gonna see them together in July and so I'm really looking forward to that.

Chad (04:45.703)
Really?

Chad (05:01.034)
Oh, that sounds like a great show. And like you said, two horn bands, right? What's better than a band with a horn section, right? As far as I'm concerned, yeah. So, Swing Out Sister, let's dig into that a minute because I'm only familiar with the one single they had out in the 80s, was it Breakout? Beyond that, I don't think I've ever heard another Swing Out Sister song. So, what should I be tuning into?

David Detjen (05:07.331)
Exactly. Right.

David Detjen (05:18.263)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

David Detjen (05:24.275)
Well, you know what, so anyway, one of the interesting stories, and I think, I'm just checking on this for a second.

David Detjen (05:36.759)
think this is the case but one of the songs I really got into

from them was called Not Gonna Change. It's all one word, not gonna change. Which was, it goes back to the 80s, you know, that's when they were popular. But it was actually recorded about 10 years ago, and I don't know if you remember this or not, but there was a huge volcanic eruption in Iceland. And it wrecked air travel between Europe and the US for at least a couple of weeks, I think, maybe a month, I don't know. They were supposed to come to the US to tour, and they had put together this band.

Chad (06:06.829)
Right.

David Detjen (06:13.409)
and they had rehearsed and they were all set, you know, UK group and all this kind of stuff. And the day before they were getting on the flight, the volcano erupted, so they couldn't, they had to cancel the tour and everything. Well, they, instead of just sitting around on their hands, they went into the studio and they took their show and their group, right, and they put together this album. And so that's one of the, it's called Private Dreams, and that's one of the things that I started listening to.

But then there was another whole album that isn't on Spotify and I don't know why. I couldn't find it on Apple Music either. So I kind of unearthed some of their material. I think it was when we were preparing for the summer, what we call summer soundscapes. I was doing a little research and I guess on YouTube it popped up.

The album's called...

get in touch with yourself. And there's a couple of tracks on there that I had never heard. And just, so I think that's one of the reasons why they popped up, simply because I was, you know, started listening to them, you know, from that perspective. So, some very interesting stuff, and you know, and I liked that a whole lot. By the way, one other tie-in with Steely Dan is, I love this idea, you know, they were a real studio band, Swing That Sister, this is,

Chad (07:16.599)
Hmm.

Chad (07:43.31)
Alright.

David Detjen (07:45.065)
And you know, in studio events they can do a lot of things that you're not going to do on a stage in front of a live audience. They can have all the overdubs and all that kind of stuff. And I'm quite certain that Corinne Drewery, who's the lead singer, did most of the different harmony parts, right? So she'd harmonize with herself. But so when they put together this band and this album, they had to get, you know, a backing singer that would kind of match with her voice

to do the harmony. And so it's kind of like Steely Dan, you know, they end up creating a whole band with backup singers and horns and other kind of instruments that they probably wouldn't otherwise use. So there is that kind of interesting correlation. And I've always found that, you know, that's kind of interesting. It's not just the fact that it's live, but the fact that they've had to create something for a live audience, you know, that they can't just, you know, rely on.

Chad (08:40.259)
Sure.

David Detjen (08:45.226)
the studio stuff and the technology to do. So I think it's kind of neat.

Chad (08:49.662)
Yeah, that's very neat. And I think there's a lot of bands out there that have to sort of struggle to rearrange stuff when they decide to take an album out or certain songs to play live. And there's certain songs that they just can't do because they're just too complex, right? So yeah, that's great. I'm gonna have to check them out. All right, so drum roll please. Chad's 2023 top artists. And any guesses, any wagers on number one? I don't know, maybe it's...

David Detjen (09:07.175)
Here we go.

David Detjen (09:13.736)
Hahahaha!

Chad (09:15.567)
Yeah, I think we should do shirt reveal. So I'm wearing today, which I wore a few weeks ago on another podcast, Becker Fagen and Katz.

David Detjen (09:21.203)
Oh yeah, I love it. I love it. Yeah, I've got, I don't know if I can, if I can do this. The risk of, I've got Donald and Walter in there earlier. See, you're my hero, Chad, because I, you know, most people that know me are shocked that SteelyDN wasn't my number one. You know, my daughter was like, oh yeah, it's SteelyDN. You know, I'm, what?

Chad (09:30.51)
Nice!

Chad (09:44.086)
Ha ha

I think Steely Dan's been my number one. This is the third year running, and the only reason why they weren't before that is because I think I was just still getting my head around Spotify and listening to so much other stuff, and I just wasn't listening to them on Spotify as much. It was more like in the car on other formats. But all right, let's continue my top five. Number two, once again, no surprise, Donald Fagen Got heavily into his solo stuff the last few years.

Number three is a band called Marvelous Three. I don't know if you're familiar. Alternative band from the mid to late 90s. They sort of came out of the ashes of a couple of other metal bands actually, from the late 80s. But the lead singer, guitar player, songwriter, producer, his name is Butch Walker, and he's gone on to like this amazing career in music. He's written and produced like Avril Lavigne, SR-71.

bunch of other bands and albums that you've probably heard. And he's had a bunch of solo stuff out too, but Marvelous Three was just this trio, bass, guitar, drums, and one of my favorite albums of all time. So I think what sort of rocketed them into the number three slot this year was that they released a new album after a 20 something year hiatus. So I think I was just playing that on repeat for weeks. So it kind of messed with the algorithm a little bit. It pushed them up a little high. Yeah.

David Detjen (10:48.799)
Thank you.

David Detjen (11:01.695)
Wow.

David Detjen (11:05.383)
What are you saying? You do the same thing? I thought I was dealing with it, I did that.

Chad (11:10.99)
No, apparently we're not. We're not the only ones. Let's see, number four, Buffalo Tom. One of my favorite bands of all time, so that makes sense that I still listen to them frequently. And you know, I keep plugging them on my other episodes, but I'll say it again, they have a new album coming out after, I think the last one was 2016 or 2017, so I'm very excited about that. And number five was Fountains of Wayne. Yeah, always love them.

David Detjen (11:35.591)
Oh yeah!

Chad (11:39.306)
You know, they kind of tick all the boxes for me. I love catchy, I love a good hook, I love literate songwriting and lyrics, and you know, nice chord changes and bridges and song structures, and boy do they deliver on all of those, so, cool.

David Detjen (11:55.679)
That's great. So I'm just making an interview with Marvelous Three and Buffalo Tom, right? I will. That's what I love about this stuff is just, you know, it's just getting introduced to new artists and new music and it's amazing.

Chad (12:00.643)
Yeah, check them out for sure.

Chad (12:13.194)
Yeah, me too, and that's why I'm loving doing the podcast so far. All right. So.

David Detjen (12:16.839)
So what was your number one Steely Dan song then?

Chad (12:20.39)
So yeah, let's do, I guess I'll do my top songs and then hand it back to you for yours, but All five of my top songs on Spotify were all Steely Dan. Yeah, number one, Green Earrings. Number two, Sign In Stranger. Yeah, I was listening to Royal Scam a lot last year.

David Detjen (12:29.5)
Well, great.

Oh, oh, love it.

David Detjen (12:39.26)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (12:41.33)
It just never sort of left the rotation. Number three, Gaucho. Still sort of obsessed with that album. Number four, Peg. I'm not sure why, but the sort of left field song for me was number five was The Boston Rag.

David Detjen (12:47.739)
Love that. Yep.

David Detjen (12:55.28)
Okay.

Chad (12:55.966)
I don't remember intentionally playing that song so much, but I went and dug into the actual numbers and it was pretty far ahead of like the number six and seven. So I must have. And I love it. Like I'm not saying it shouldn't be there, but it's just, I found it to be odd. You know, it was just a little weird that it wasn't, that it was there and other songs weren't, but you know, that's great. So what were your top five?

David Detjen (13:08.123)
Right.

David Detjen (13:15.783)
what that's interesting uh... assigned leads in the street but you know green areas is one that

every time I go to see them in concert, I'm like, please play Green Earrings. You know, that's one that, and it's not always in the rotation, you know, but that's just one that's such a great song live. It's up tempo and everything, and I just love that one. So yeah, and like you said, you know, the whole Royal Scam album is terrific. And...

Chad (13:37.567)
Yeah.

David Detjen (13:52.087)
Maybe my second favorite although like you said gal show is just awesome And there's a lot there's a lot to tuck into on there, but Yeah, so in terms of the five well the Steely Dan one for me was black cow which is again not a surprise. That's You know people would probably guess that one the number one song was a shock to me so I mentioned Earth Wind and Fire was in the mix and

There's so many great Earth Wind and Fire songs. Well, Serpentine Fire was my number one. So that was the head scratcher because I like it, but I wouldn't put it in my top. I wouldn't say it's my top five songs that I'd have to hear from Earth Wind and Fire. Number four was a Jamiroquai song called Don't Give Hate a Chance.

Chad (14:22.888)
Oh wow.

David Detjen (14:43.727)
And that one is amazing. I'd love to do an entire podcast episode on that because it has some very interesting musical elements to it. But anyway, so that was number four. The number two song wasn't even represented on the list of artists, but it's called the Grid Generation by a guitar player by the name of Corey Wong. And Corey Wong was actually introduced to me by my daughter. And Grid Generation, I think,

sure if this was a 22 or a 23. I think it was a 23 release. So that way I've explained why I played it a lot but anyway you know it's so interesting to me that he or she was listening to Bill Withers you know in college and now I'm listening to some of her stuff. Not all of it but some of it you know.

Chad (15:18.438)
Okay.

Chad (15:32.578)
hahahaha

Same, same with my daughter.

David Detjen (15:39.107)
Yeah, the last one is a real interesting one. Again, a 2023 release and it was called Moonshine by a group called Young Gun Silver Fox. Now, Young Gun Silver Fox is a group I would have never ever heard of, but for our buddy on Twitter, Eddie the Yacht Show guy.

Chad (16:05.175)
Mm-hmm.

David Detjen (16:08.881)
one of his episodes he profiled them and I'm like oh I'm gonna listen to this stuff. So I was listening and then Spotify pulled up about it just about a year ago and they said hey there's new music from Young Gun Silver Fox. So I listened to it here's what I didn't realize that song was actually written or at least partially written by an absolute icon in the music industry who's since passed. His name is Rod Temperton and Rod Temperton is a guy

called Heatwave.

Chad (16:39.908)
Oh yeah yeah!

David Detjen (16:41.259)
his re and he was like the keyboard guy and he wrote most of the songs. But Rod Temperton, here's another podcast episode, right? Rod Temperton wrote some of the most iconic music ever and most people don't even know who he is or was. He wrote three songs on both Michael Jackson's Off the Wall and on Thriller, including the title tracks. So this is a guy that's got serious chops. Well, he was kind of retired from all this stuff and the guys from Young

Chad (16:45.218)
Okay.

Chad (17:05.151)
Oh wow.

David Detjen (17:11.073)
Ben Silver Fox kind of, you know, were working with them and they kind of etched out the basis of it probably about 10 years ago. Rod passed away I think about 2015 I think. But they didn't even finish the song until just the last year. But that was one that kind of grabbed my attention. So fun story about that.

Chad (17:35.274)
Yeah, I need to dig into more of his work. I mean, obviously I'm familiar with it by proxy with Michael Jackson and, I mean, Heatwave, you know, who doesn't love Heatwave? I think I danced to Always and Forever at my prom. Ha ha ha.

David Detjen (17:47.124)
Exactly, yes! Everybody did that again, right? That was the big slow dance, I know. And the groove line, I mean, there's all that other stuff. And so, yeah. Exactly! Yeah.

Chad (17:54.958)
Groove Find, yep. Boogie Nights. Boogie Nights is like, I can sing that song in my sleep, yeah.

David Detjen (18:03.087)
And I did a thing, we did a little thing for his birthday where we were kind of profiling some of the different music. And again, I found artists and songs that he wrote that I had no idea, but he did just some amazing, he did Give Me the Night with George Benson.

Chad (18:30.963)
Oh wow, I love that song.

David Detjen (18:32.099)
He did yeah, he did Oh, he did. I think he did love is in control by Donna summer Right. He did spice of life, Manhattan transfer. These are all he did sweet freedom with Michael McDonald He did I'm almost certain he did one with Chaka Khan. I'm trying to come up with it But you know, it's just amazing all the different

Chad (18:40.002)
Mm-hmm.

David Detjen (18:57.819)
you know, songs that he did. And again, that's a topic for another day. But, you know, that's what I get interested in. You know, you say Rod Temperton, and most people give you a blank stare, and then you start naming out the songs. They're like, oh yeah, I know that song. You know?

Chad (19:16.015)
Yeah. Oh, I love chasing stuff down like that and, you know, figuring out who did what. And I'm real big into behind the scenes, obviously, with music. So, you know, who played on certain albums and, you know, who wrote things and produced things. So it's very cool.

So let's talk a bit about saxophone. I think that was another hot topic. So tell me about your playing and experience. Was it as a kid? Was it as an adult? Did you play in a band? Give me all the details.

David Detjen (19:49.211)
Yeah, I, well, you know, the funny story, or ironic, whatever.

one to me is, like I said, my dad was a big influence for me. He was actually a drummer at one point and then mom kind of made him put away the drums, you know, and so he took a keyboard and I think almost every night as a kid I remember him playing something either on piano or he had an organ, a Hammond organ and whatever and he was really big into some of the Latin music, bossa nova stuff and that sort of thing. So I didn't listen to a lot of kind of, you know.

clinical popular music at home mostly listening to the kind of stuff he would play but when I got to be I guess it was

junior high, you know, when they started instrumental music, he basically grabbed my hand and said, we're gonna get an instrument, you know, for you. So we're gonna go to the music store, we're gonna get an instrument, we're gonna play an instrument. I'm thinking piano lessons like most kids do and all that, and I didn't really like it, but you know, I did it. So anyway, so we happened to know the band director at my school, he was a family friend, he said, you know, go into Mr. Mills and find out what he needs, because if you play an instrument that

Chad (20:50.858)
Yeah, me either.

David Detjen (21:05.177)
a better chance of playing early. So I went in and the band director was real cool and he was like, yeah, we need trombones, right? So I'm like, okay, that's great, wrote it down, trombone. So Saturday morning we go off to the music store and they had a little practice room and the guy would bring in different instruments and you could try them out and see if you liked them or not. So we said, trombone, let's pick out the trombone. So he pulls it out and I can't make a sound out of the darn thing. It's just brutal.

Chad (21:31.865)
It's hard.

David Detjen (21:33.079)
Yeah and so the music guy, the music star guy said you know maybe you want to try a sax. So I said well you know bring one out. So he brought out a sax and I could blow into it and honk and I could press the keys right and make noise and I'm like oh this is pretty cool I like this. So I go in the next day you know and on Monday morning I go into all proud and excited hey Mr. Mills I got a sax and he's like face Paul but you know he's like I got more saxes

Chad (21:48.302)
Ha ha

Chad (22:01.018)
hahahaha

David Detjen (22:02.993)
get a chance to play I had to kind of be just like in a group lesson or something like that but it took some private lessons and I you know and I worked my way through it and then once I got to I guess it was eighth grade or whatever I was able to you know to play and after about a year or so playing alto I switched to tenor because I just thought that was cooler and I liked it and you know back then we were playing some of the music in Chicago and some of the other you know bands and

you know, it was the kind of stuff that, you know, tenor, you could play in anything you wanted, you know? And so I really got into it at that point and...

I used to play a lot in the jazz band and in fact when I got in high school they had, they had you know, look at it. So I'm in a small state, you have to consider this, I'm in a small state. But they had an all state band and I had no shot at that but they had an all state jazz band. I said you know what, I'm going to try it. And I'm going to say there's nothing, you know, you can't go wrong for trying. I practiced my butt off for months to get to the point where I felt I was going to be capable of auditioning.

I got to make the Allstate Band and I was the first kid from my school to do that. They had some other schools that had really deep jazz programs and they were churning out these really good players left and right. And so it was pretty cool for me to be the first guy to do that. I actually did it for two years, two straight years. So that was pretty cool. Like I said, I knew I wasn't going to make music my vocation, but I really had a lot of fun with it.

Chad (23:14.755)
So, well.

David Detjen (23:43.075)
And we got to do some pretty cool stuff and got to go, you know, take trips and play in different organizations, different combos and stuff like that. And got exposed to some really neat things. One of the coolest things was they had a program where over the summer where you could...

you could play and generally the kids that were in that were pretty good players. And then they'd actually bring in professional guys, I mean professional players that would come in and kind of tutor you. And then one day we actually got a chance to take a crack at doing some arranging, which I had never done. And I'll tell you, I'm more of a sax player than a musician, right? So I'm not like some of these guys that knows all the different chord structures and all that.

Chad (24:15.84)
Oh wow.

Chad (24:22.402)
Ha ha ha.

David Detjen (24:28.621)
into that level and to kind of play around with it. And then once you arranged it, you got to put it in front of the band and they would actually play it. So it was kind of neat. So we had some fun with that. But my last think memory of a band was, when we're in high school in marching band, my first experience there was the band director, it seemed like for the first week, every other day he would say, tenors get out of pencil.

Chad (24:38.507)
Oh cool, yeah.

David Detjen (24:58.761)
rewrote the trombone part so that we were covering the trombones because we had terrible trombones. So that's my lasting memory is that you know and I think I echo Don Fagen because I know for the longest time he didn't want to eat trombones and steal it in. When I heard that story I'm like yeah I get it you know so that was that was my background in music.

Chad (25:15.014)
Right. Yep.

Chad (25:19.308)
Hahaha

Chad (25:26.598)
I have a very similar path. So when I was in grade school, I started taking guitar because my sister played the guitar who was a little bit older than me and I just looked up to her, I guess. And I mean, not I guess, I did look up to her, but so third grade, you were allowed to take an instrument and I took guitar for two years. Fifth grade comes around and I'm bored. I'm not really into the guitar as much as I thought I was going to be. And I think...

in the fifth grade you could elect to start doing brass or woodwinds. Well at the time I was really into saxophone so I was like sax for sure. Obviously to start you out on alto. So I played alto in fifth grade, sixth grade, and sixth grade they actually were in need of a few players for the junior high marching band so they pulled me into that because you know I guess I was good enough and they needed somebody so I did that.

David Detjen (26:20.191)
Great.

Chad (26:23.21)
Junior high, I was in marching band, stage band, jazz band, really enjoyed it. And it's kind of funny, you mentioned, you know, get your pencils out and changing the charts and giving you trombone parts because my band director was notorious for that. We had a pretty good brass section, I have to say, and a couple of good friends of mine were the two trumpet players and they were phenomenal, but we were missing certain instruments because, you know, what kid wants to play oboe, right? So there were a few pieces where the band director was like,

David Detjen (26:39.515)
Uh-huh.

David Detjen (26:50.175)
Thank you.

Chad (26:52.734)
man, I'm really missing that oboe part. You know what? It's an E flat, it matches up with the alto sax. Here, Sutton, and you throw a piece of sheet music on my stand and go, play that. And I was really good at sight reading, which I'm not anymore. I can't read music to save my life anymore, but I guess when I was a kid, I was really good at it. So he would just throw stuff in front of me and say, hey, play this. And I'd play it. And he would say, okay, yeah, that's your part from now on. I needed that counter melody or whatever it was in this piece. So.

David Detjen (26:59.99)
Yeah. HAHAHAHA!

David Detjen (27:04.499)
Oh wow. Yeah.

David Detjen (27:16.615)
Wow, that's great. Yep.

Chad (27:21.11)
Did a lot of that. Got to play baritone sax on a few things because we didn't have a bari, yeah. And it's funny because I remember this distinctly, there was a girl named Monica and we were always fighting for first chair alto parts because we were both equally good players and good readers. So when I started branching out and doing this other stuff, she was like, yes! You know, because she got to be first chair and didn't have to fight me for it. So it was pretty funny. And then...

David Detjen (27:35.102)
Oh wow.

David Detjen (27:42.623)
HAHAHAHA

Chad (27:51.302)
I went to high school in Atlantic City in South Jersey, and Atlantic City High School's marching band, I don't know about nowadays, but you know, in the 70s, the 80s, they were one of the top marching bands in the country. Like they would travel all over the place and win all kinds of competitions and everything. But with that came grueling practice and preparation that I just wasn't ready for.

So when I went into high school, you know, I met with the band director and he was like, you know, we'd love to have you join. And I was like, no, thanks. Because I had talked to a few kids that had been into it and you had to be there like two hours before school started on weekdays. You had to give up weekends. You were always traveling. And they just said, you know, it's worth it. It's fun, but it's a lot of work. And I was just not prepared to do that. I guess I just kind of punked out. So that kind of ended my saxophone career.

David Detjen (28:22.488)
Sure.

David Detjen (28:42.921)
We had a competitive band my first year, and you're right. I mean, we would do at least two hours of playing during school hours, and then right after school, we'd practice for three hours a night. And so you weren't getting home until 7 o'clock at night or whatever. And

So, and then like you said, all Saturday and Sunday, normally you're on a bus going somewhere and playing for the games, but then you got a competition in two hours, you know, three hours away or something, you know. So, yeah, it was pretty crazy. That was big for a year, and then after that, we just kind of mostly pulled out of competition. So, but that's where we did the other stuff like the jazz band and stuff like that.

Chad (29:26.802)
I really love jazz band. We played a lot of fun stuff. And the cool thing was for the stage band portion, which was mostly all the same kids that were in jazz band, the director of that always tried to keep some current radio stuff in the mix. So we did, we played Beat It by Michael Jackson. You know, I'm dating myself here, where this is like 84, 85, right? So we did Beat It. We did the theme from Ghostbusters.

David Detjen (29:29.464)
Mm-hmm.

David Detjen (29:41.16)
Right.

David Detjen (29:47.295)
Sure.

David Detjen (29:51.247)
Oh wow.

Chad (29:51.498)
Uh, we did. She blinded me with Science by Thomas Dolby, which was awesome. Yeah, we did a lot of really cool stuff. So, yeah.

David Detjen (29:59.951)
So do you do, a little bit off topic here, but do you do something called hurdles online? It's, well, so we'll have to talk about this offline, but I just threw that out there because you had, were mentioning a lot of 80s songs and so.

Chad (30:06.889)
No.

Chad (30:12.265)
OH!

David Detjen (30:19.687)
They have different genres and different decades and all this kind of stuff. Really, I think from the 50s to the present. And then some of them were kind of cross genre. But basically they'll play like a, you know, one or let me say two seconds at a time of a song. And then the trick is to try to ID the song as quickly as you can, you know. So.

It's fun, but it's a lot more fun if you get other people to join you. Especially people that have kind of similar taste and similar, you know, experience because, you know, that's where it really kind of gets to be, you know, competitive and fun and all that kind of stuff.

Chad (31:01.822)
Yeah, it's kind of like it's spelled H-E-A-R-D, right? It's kind of like wordle, yeah, I've seen it, I just haven't played it, but now I'm gonna have to go give it a whirl.

David Detjen (31:05.211)
Yes, that's it. Just like that.

Give it a check. So there's actually one that's called hurdledecades.com. Like you said, spelled H-E-A-R-D-L-E. And that's the one. And then they've also got band specific. So if you're into, I know they've got some Duran Duran, they've got Queen, they've got, I can't, I don't normally do the band specific ones because they really go into the deep cuts, you know? But they, the other ones that, you know, they'll have like

disco and they'll have rock and stuff like that. So you might enjoy that. That's it.

Chad (31:46.11)
Yeah, thanks. I'll definitely have to check that out. That's right up my alley. My wife and I have been watching. It's kind of lame, but we've been doing the new version of Name That Tune. It's been on TV.

David Detjen (31:57.411)
oh how is that i watched a couple years ago i haven't seen it lately how is that

Chad (32:01.618)
It's okay. I have to say the band that they have that plays all of the different music live is phenomenal. Like there's nothing they can't cover that doesn't sound good and doesn't sound 90% like the original song. So I'm very impressed with that. It's Jane Krakowski is hosting it. She's great. And I don't know if I didn't watch it up until recently. And I think I don't know if it's just this season or if it's been the new reboot or whatever. But it seems like they're doing all celebrities.

David Detjen (32:15.827)
Wow, that's amazing.

Okay, yes.

Chad (32:31.624)
and they're playing for different charities. So, which is great, yeah. So it's fun because I'm a name guy. My wife a lot of times will get stuff before I do, but she can't get to the names quickly as I do. So she gets mad at me and I get mad at her because she'll know a song right away and I'm like, took me a few extra notes to get that one, but it's fun, it's fun. So I think hurdle's gonna be another cool thing. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

David Detjen (32:33.868)
Oh, okay, that's nice. Yeah.

David Detjen (32:43.649)
You mean, yeah.

David Detjen (32:54.503)
Yeah, do it together. You might have some fun with that. You know, that's like, that's, that's what it's really fun is when you're doing it with somebody else and it's like a little semi-competitive thing. You know?

Chad (33:04.53)
Yes, we're very competitive with each other. Cool, so let's talk a bit about Steely Dan, because I think that was one of the first things that we connected on with Twitter. I'm still making stupid memes.

couple a week at this point and posting them and it's fun. It's gotten me more interaction on Twitter than I ever hoped to have. And it's just unfortunate that, you know, it's this era of Twitter that I've, that I'm, you know, sort of having so much fun with because it would have been great. Yeah. But, um, I think, you know, you and I have connected on that. And there's so many cool people on Steely Dan Twitter that just posts, you know,

trivia and fun stuff and pictures and you know what are some highlights and I guess you know tell me a bit about when you first started listening to them and how you really got into them and you know how often do you listen to Steely Dan now?

David Detjen (33:49.234)
Oh yeah, boy.

David Detjen (34:01.115)
Well, yeah, that's a good, that's a lot of interesting elements to that. I think my first experience, and this will date me a little bit, but I was in college when Asia came out and my roommate was a big album guy. I wasn't. I just didn't, that wasn't just something I did, you know, but he brought home or brought back the Asia album and I think I wore that darn thing out.

it was just incredible and I just couldn't get over every single track there. And like I said, I think a lot of it is that if you look at that album, they got a lot of sax in there, you know? And for a guy, I was still playing back then, I played in college for a little bit and...

And so that was right up my alley. Outside of Chicago and maybe some Earth, Wind, and Fire, you didn't really have a lot of popular music back then that emphasized the sax. Now.

going into the eighties, I think it got a little bit more popular, right? And you started hearing a lot more songs that had saxes in them. But back in the mid to late seventies, it was mostly guitar-oriented rock. That's what they were playing. And so, you know, thanks to Donald and Walter, rest in peace, you know, they saw fit to actually bring in not just sax players, but I mean, highly accomplished jazz.

Chad (35:04.194)
Yeah.

Chad (35:16.782)
sure.

David Detjen (35:31.185)
guys that you know had really terrific jobs and blend that into you know their popular music and so that was something that really kind of pulled me in and got me to be a hardcore you know hardcore listener of their music. I'll say you know then of course it was like three years later and Gaucho came out and you know same thing

And then they took a hiatus for 20 years and they didn't.

Chad (36:01.374)
Yeah. Right.

David Detjen (36:03.831)
nothing, right? It was just complete, you know, radio silence for 20 years. And, and you know, that was tough because obviously back in that day, right, you listen to what was on the radio. I mean, that was either got an album or you listen to what was on the radio, you know? So it was hard. And obviously I had Asia and I had Gaucho and I was listening to them a lot, but you know, it's not the same if there's not, you know, new music kind of going in there. So.

Chad (36:20.686)
Sure.

David Detjen (36:33.479)
vividly remember, I was at work one day and one of my coworkers said, I don't know how we got around it, but they were talking about Steely Dan. He said...

Well, you know they just introduced a new album, don't you? And I'm like, what? I never knew. So it was like, you know, Two Against Nature. And I'm like, oh my God. And I literally left work. And I drove over to the CD store, I guess, at the time, and bought the album. And I was so excited to put that thing in. And I have to tell you, I felt a little let down after I listened to it, because I didn't really get it. You know, it wasn't what I was expecting or what I was hoping for. Time has kind of cured that.

Chad (36:49.891)
Ha ha

Chad (36:59.961)
Right.

Chad (37:09.933)
Yeah.

David Detjen (37:14.689)
to the point where now I enjoy it. But you know at the time it was kind of like you know this isn't what I was thinking it was gonna be you know but yeah so that was a little bit about my you know my history and my background in terms of listening well obviously I must listen to it somewhat because it's on my Spotify and you know I guess I

I guess how I consume music these days is a couple different ways. I will set up every year and I start over, so it's January and I'm, you know, my 2023 playlist was about 500 songs long.

Chad (37:57.462)
Wow.

David Detjen (37:58.143)
And how but I started in January and as I would hear new music or old favorites, I would just add it to the list and it just, you know, would grow. And so I'm kind of doing the same thing throwing out 2023 and starting fresh. And so right now I don't even know if there's any Steely Dan on there. But, you know, it's stuff that I've heard that's new. That's like, oh, yeah, I want to capture that. I want to get that.

And then there will be times when I, you know, when you're in a certain mood or you're on a road trip or something like that. And so you'll just go in and you'll put in, oh, OK, let me put in my Steely Dan playlist or my Chicago or my Earth, Wind & Fire, whatever, you know, and kind of do it that way. So there's a couple of different ways I do it. But but a lot of that happens to be, you know, it's like as you kind of building this this list. And every year it seems to get longer. I think the twenty twenty two one was maybe three hundred songs. And so so I don't.

I don't have any idea what this year is gonna bring, but hopefully it'll be a big list. Ha ha ha.

Chad (38:56.693)
Hahaha

Yeah, it sounds that way. I've been doing the same thing. So I, you know, I'll make playlists based on a mood or a band or, you know, whatever the case may be. But what I've been doing the last couple of years is just sort of keeping a sort of holding tank playlists around. So like you're saying, as I, as I find new songs, if somebody recommends something and I want to just bookmark it to go back and listen to later, if I hear something completely randomly in the grocery store, like, Oh man, I haven't heard that song in 20 years.

I'll make a note in my phone or just, you know, if I'm in Spotify anyway, I'll throw it in the playlist and then when I get to about, I'm not doing it by ear, but when I get to like 200, 250 songs somewhere in that neighborhood, I'll cut it and start a new one. As I feel like then.

David Detjen (39:42.815)
That's probably the smart idea. I should probably do that because it does get a little unwieldy when they get longer.

Chad (39:47.954)
Yeah, for sure. That's why I started doing it. The first one that I built like that was, I think, five, six hundred songs and I was like, I'm never going to get through this if I try to get back and listen to it. So yeah, that's exactly the reason. But yeah, that's kind of funny that we kind of do the same thing. And I was making playlists when I was doing, I was doing all the music challenges on Twitter and that's great. And that was a fun community, but it just, it...

Started to feel almost like a chore to me to have to make these things and I was Trying to stay in two three four a month because I didn't want to offend anybody Not do their challenge because I was being invited to all this stuff it is and it was like it was a lot of fun, but I just had to kind of taper off and I haven't done one. I think I did one maybe oh, I did the Christmas one with Jim Bricker he's always does a Christmas one and that was easy because it was only 12 days and you know, it was it was a fun kind of theme, but

David Detjen (40:17.491)
Yes.

David Detjen (40:25.759)
That's a lot of work.

David Detjen (40:39.502)
Yep.

Chad (40:44.53)
Yeah, so I kind of want to get back into that.

David Detjen (40:45.631)
Isn't that interesting now that they have, like you said, there's probably 15 or 20 of them going at any given time. And like you said, I have trouble kind of doing it. So I'll look at them and if it looks like it's really real, there was one, wow, it was the one. But some of them are really, really challenging and I don't normally have that much mental energy. Like you said, if you gotta do it for 30 consecutive days, it's like, you know, so.

Chad (41:10.788)
I hear you. Right.

David Detjen (41:15.291)
Yeah, but that's fun and you know, I forgot that we had both been doing that. I know that, I guess I was probably, I would say probably for 23 I was maybe in on maybe half or two thirds of them. I think probably the year before I was in on most of them, you know, so just like you, you kind of get to a point where you have to kind of pull back a little bit.

Chad (41:37.994)
Yeah, one of the ones that was fun, and I don't know if anybody would resurrect it, I don't think I wanna run it myself. Maybe, maybe, maybe at some point in the future, but it was the 30 Days, 30 DJs. I don't know if you were... Yeah, so it was every week, or it was every day, I think it was every day for the month, somebody would be the DJ, and they had to pick one band and make a playlist of...

David Detjen (41:50.047)
No, I don't

David Detjen (42:00.12)
Oh yes!

Chad (42:05.638)
however many songs, I did 30 to keep the theme, you know, 30, 30. Um, and sort of, you know, it was free form. There was like no real format to it, but it was just pick a band, turn everybody in the challenge onto that band. And, you know, if you want to don't just publish a playlist, but you know, share pictures, share links, share articles, share memories, you know, whatever it was. So I did one for Buffalo Tom. Um,

David Detjen (42:09.129)
Right.

David Detjen (42:25.759)
Do you remember that? Yeah.

Chad (42:30.762)
which was really fun because I whip that playlist out all the time when somebody's like, Buffalo who? And I'm like, here, playlist, go listen. I'll send you, I'll link the Buffalo Tom one in the show description, but I'll send it to you since you mentioned that you wanted to check them out. And then the other one I did was Elizabeth and the Catapult, which is not really a band. I think it started out as a band, but it's just a solo artist. Her name's Elizabeth Ziman and she's just amazing. So I was trying to like.

David Detjen (42:42.175)
Great, yeah, awesome. Yeah.

David Detjen (42:55.752)
a while.

Chad (42:59.958)
you know, bring awareness to some of these artists that people don't really usually know too much about. So I thought that was kind of cool. That was a fun one.

David Detjen (43:03.015)
Sure, yeah, that's great. Yeah, yeah, you know, that is fun and we'll have to think about that. Let me throw this out as an idea. So...

David Detjen (43:16.767)
I can't think of her name right off the top of the, but they started one for February that is a different instrument every day. Well, supposedly, but what they did is the first week is like keyboard, the second week is guitar, the third week is percussion, and then everything else calmed in the fourth week. So I sent a note and I said, where's the sax week? And then I thought about it and I said,

Chad (43:25.675)
Oh.

Chad (43:37.218)
Hahaha

David Detjen (43:44.375)
I bet you have a better plan. I bet, I bet the rest of the year. So starting in March, we're going to spend the whole rest of the year doing sax. And of course she laughed and you know, we, so it was like one day was like all wind instruments or all, maybe it's all reeds. So, you know, Monday was brass and Tuesday was reeds and whatever, something like that. I'm like,

Hmm, that's not gonna work for me. But a couple of, I don't know that I did it quite as much last year, because I was traveling a little bit, but in 22, so International Saxophone Day is on, don't quote me on this, it's something like November the 6th. And it corresponds with the birthday of Aldofer Sax, who was the inventor of the saxophone. So what I did, considering it was like the 6th, and so it was just about the start of the month, is I said, okay, we're gonna do,

Chad (44:08.152)
Ha ha.

Chad (44:28.875)
Right?

David Detjen (44:36.262)
an entire week for sex. But I should've involved you in it, because we could have had a bullet of fun.

where we, let's say the first day I took was all soprano, the second alto, third tenor, the fourth bari, and then I think I did maybe some genre specific, oh no, one day was for like ensemble. So you're gonna feature when you've got the entire sax section together and stuff like that. And then the last day was kind of free form, do whatever you want. So, but that's the kind of thing

Chad (44:43.386)
Absolutely.

David Detjen (45:13.045)
do sometime we don't have to do it in November but we could do something like that and have some fun with it you know and so

Chad (45:17.982)
Yeah, that would be cool.

Chad (45:21.962)
Love it. Anything to get more sax out there, I'm in. I still have my sax. I haven't, yeah, I haven't played it in 20 years or more, but it's there. It's in the house.

David Detjen (45:24.979)
Yeah, exactly. People, you know, I do too. It's a little dusty. And you know, yeah. So when my daughter, this is one of my, one of my.

you know, as a parent you have to decide when to intercede. Like my dad, my dad definitely interceded and said, this is not up to you, we are going to get you an instrument. And I, you know, I praise him every day for that decision. It changed my life, literally. Well, so I kind of, you know, my daughter knew how important it was to me. It wasn't an option for her, so she knew she was going to get an instrument. But when we went in for the thing, instead of saying, I think she should have a sax, I just let...

the powers that be kind of worked with her and they gave her the different instruments and they decided clarinet would be her instrument. And I look back on that I think, you know, I probably should have interceded because I think she would have had a lot more fun if she had played the sax. So she played throughout high school and, you know, had a lot of fun with it. And that's when I would get my horn out because she'd be like, Dad, I just don't, you know, I can't get this part or whatever. And so I'd get my horn out and we'd play together.

you know, the B flat clarinet, B flat tenor. And so there were times when she wouldn't practice. She says, I'm not gonna practice unless you get the horn out. Oh, okay. Yeah. But it was kind of fun. And you know, that the other situation was a corporate thing in 1994. It was for a centennial of my company which is headquartered in Minneapolis. And they put together a corporate marching band for a parade that happened to be

Chad (46:49.11)
Ha ha

David Detjen (47:10.489)
going on in July I think and we were we were going to be out there for some conference and so they sent it out to you know I was I was still in Delaware at the time and they sent out and said hey you know if you want to play let us know and we'll have an instrument for you so they sent out the music and

And we got there and basically it was a one day gig, right? So we got there and, you know, we're there for the conference and then, and then I don't know what day it was or whatever, but we, you know, we literally got our instruments, you know, we didn't really have uniforms per se, like, you know, a typical marching band, but we had matching t-shirts and whatnot. And then we practiced and we practiced for like three, four hours and then boom, we went out into the parade and there was about 400 people, it was the biggest band I was ever in.

Chad (47:56.312)
Oh wow.

David Detjen (47:56.425)
400 people in this band, you know? And it was a boatload. I gotta tell you, it was so much fun, you know? And so, yeah, so that kind of scratched my itch there. You know?

Chad (48:02.258)
Oh, it sounds like it.

Chad (48:08.807)
Nice. That's awesome. So one last topic before we wrap it up, because you mentioned that you were going to see a concert. So why don't you tell me who you saw and you had a little story to go along with that. I'd love to hear more about it.

David Detjen (48:24.175)
So, you know, by the way, are you going to be going to the Steely Dan Eagles tour this year?

Chad (48:33.05)
I'm not. I missed my opportunity. They were in New York and New Jersey back in, I think, December. And I just was on the fence and tickets were so expensive and, you know, I just... I'm kicking myself. I should have gone, but I couldn't justify spending all that money to see a 45-minute greatest hits set.

David Detjen (48:50.851)
The thing that the sets like about I think it's like maybe 10 or 12 songs. It's not a very old set So they're coming to Chicago in about a month and I like said like you I'm kind of on the fence I don't have tickets yet. I might but anyway, there's a band out here in Wisconsin they

Chad (48:57.724)
Yeah.

David Detjen (49:09.799)
The city of Madison is located in Dane County. And so the name of the band is Steely Dane. And so they are actually very, very good. The members, it's not a standing organization. In other words, they're all in different groups, right? They play in different groups and whatnot. But they get together several times a year. I want to say several times a year. I'm sure they practice a lot. But...

Chad (49:17.25)
Ha ha.

David Detjen (49:38.999)
They get together several times a year and then they'll go and tour in different locations throughout the state. And what I think is awesome is that they've built the band to almost exactly replicate the Steely Dan touring band. So they've got the horn section, they've got the rhythm section, they've got two keyboard guys, they've got two guitar players, and they've got the female backing singers, right? So they've got the whole thing. It's about 13, 14 members total.

apparently has bet has done a phenomenal job of mimicking the arrangements so the arrangements of the live Steely Dan music you know is a little different in many cases than the you know the charts that were on the albums and so this team or this guy I think has really done a phenomenal job of mimicking very accurately and even some of the soloists like the guitar player and kid Charoma

Chad (50:25.493)
Hmm.

David Detjen (50:38.893)
solo. It's phenomenal. And not many guitar players, I don't want to say it's impossible to do because I've seen a lot of other guys cover it but it's still pretty talented for a guy to be able to do that. So anyway, so they were, weird story is that I was traveling and I was going to be flying back into Milwaukee.

two weeks ago and they were playing the very next night. So I said, you know what? I'm getting my flights not getting into midnight. I'm just gonna stay over. The walks about two hours from where I live. I'm gonna stay over and I'm gonna cast the show the next night. So I was all set to do that. And then we get this horrific storm, you know, with like a foot and a half of snow and blizzard conditions and all that. So they canceled the show and they rescheduled it. And you know, I'm like, you know, I don't know that I'm gonna drive. Now I'm not sure. It was like on Thursday and I'm not sure I'm gonna drive down.

Chad (51:21.794)
I know. Ha ha ha.

David Detjen (51:32.845)
that they were playing up in Green Bay just this last Saturday so it's like that's a much 25 minute drive for me you know that's a slight piece of cake so because I got tickets late because I was gonna be doing the Milwaukee show I had to sit up way up in the balcony you know pretty high I'm like that's fine I don't care you know I don't need to be right up front but so I'm like one of the first people there that's just one of my

fatal flaws as a human, I'm always early for this stuff. So I'm one of the first people in it and the usher is like, show me the seat. And he's like, well, you're pretty far up but it's actually pretty good sonically. That's where the sound goes. And I like sitting up there and da da. Okay, that's fine. The side benefit is that because it's kind of at the back of the group, I can stand up and the band starts playing and I need to move. I need that groove to those songs. And when they're doing prets a lot,

I that's a very you know drum driven track and I'm

going along with the drums, you know, and, you know, when they kind of wrapped up the show with Kid Charlemagne, which is just a phenomenal, you know, live one, Josie, which is terrific, maybe one of my favorite songs. And then they did Reelin' in the Years, you know, and that's always one that kind of brings the house down. Well, as the wrapping up reel in the years, I'm kind of nudging the guy next to me, and I said...

school is going to be the encore. He looks at me and he's like, oh yeah you're right they haven't played that one yet. So sure enough they you know they go into that man. In my old school to me it's either that or Kid Charlamagne for the encore. It's got to be one of those two and then I'm happy right. So I'm up.

Chad (53:13.654)
Yep.

David Detjen (53:18.023)
doing all this stuff and really getting into the music and half of the crowd is kind of sitting on their hands and whatever. So not everybody is quite as exuberant as I am. And so when the concert ends, we're filing out and I'm one of the last people out because I'm sitting way up high and...

I'm kind of starting to get to the exit and I hear, like, sir, excuse me, sir. And I'm like, oh shit, this could be bad. So I just kept walking, like maybe he's not talking to me. And he's like, sir, I need to talk. So it was the usher.

I'm like, I'm gonna get kicked out, or they're gonna say somebody complained about, you know, what I was doing, or, you know, invited not to come back. You know, one of these things, you know, like, geez. And the guy says, I just want to tell you, you know, I was really thrilled to see that you got so much excitement out of the cell. I'm like, so we talked for about 10 minutes and he's seen, you know, the same band when they've cycled around some of the other venues and all that kind of stuff. So we had that kind of commonality. But I was like,

Chad (54:03.741)
Right, right.

Chad (54:12.802)
Ha ha ha!

Chad (54:26.318)
Hahaha!

David Detjen (54:28.673)
I got kicked out so- so that if wherever the concert you see some group ball up in the back you know just going crazy it's probably be you can like pretend you don't ignore me. You know and- I'll be cool with that. Yeah.

Chad (54:30.954)
Well, dice.

Chad (54:45.835)
I'll be in the back giving you the high sign. Like I see you. That's awesome. Well great, anything else you wanted to cover? Anything you wanted to bring up or talk about?

David Detjen (54:57.899)
I appreciate you having me on. I'm looking forward to the rest of your series. And like I said, hopefully we can connect on some other projects as we go forward. Like I said, there's always new stuff that comes out. And my partner and I are in the midst of negotiating. And by that, I mean, I'm suggesting, and she's given me all the reasons why we shouldn't do it. But last year we did a...

David Detjen (55:27.871)
you know, a program with different artists. And so we're thinking about, you know, doing the same thing again, but again, with other groups. So, you know, do any of these names sound familiar to you? Average White Band, Hall & Oates, Doobies Michael McDonald,

Chad (55:45.512)
Oh yeah.

David Detjen (55:52.083)
and maybe some other ones in here that are less familiar. Johnny hates jazz, Basia and Matt Bianco. We might do Wang Chung, Tears for Fears, stuff like that. So that's kind of what we're thinking. We've got the kind of some of the basics on there, but we'll let you know. And if we're gonna do that, we'll let you know. Like I said, we're still negotiating and we don't know what went how

Chad (55:56.843)
Oh, I love trying to hear his chest.

David Detjen (56:21.173)
and whatnot, but it was kind of fun last year and we might, we might continue doing it again this year. And maybe we'll have to, maybe, you know, in light of tonight's conversation, maybe we're going to have to add in the Marvelous 3 and Buffalo Tom to the mix.

Chad (56:26.774)
That sounds great and I hardly...

Chad (56:37.735)
I was just gonna say I heartily vote for average white band, one of my favorites. And they don't get as much love anymore. I mean, you know, old guys like us, I'm sure, but the kids, I don't think know them as much. So maybe it's time to do some reeducation, you know.

David Detjen (56:52.319)
Exactly. Yep. Another good sax-oriented group, isn't it? You know? So yeah. Ha ha ha. Sounds good. All right.

Chad (56:55.394)
Oh yeah.

Great. Well, Dave, thanks for being here. Appreciate you coming on and it's great talking to you. And all right, talk to you soon. All right, bye.

David Detjen (57:03.687)
Have a great evening.