Episode 2 transcript

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Chad (00:00.79)
Greetings and welcome back to Aural Mess for our second episode. I'm joined tonight by Reagan Bussey. Reagan, thanks for joining. Do you wanna introduce yourself?

Reagan Bussey (00:07.402)
Thanks for joining. Thank you for having me. I'm Reagan Bussey. My day job is I'm a radio DJ and I work for two different radio stations, a corporate one so it's not as free but then I work at my college radio station where I have my own show and it's a lot of fun. I get to curate the music, do requests, talk to listeners so that's a lot of fun and the college one doesn't pay well but it's a creative freedom kind of thing.

Can't put a price on that.

Chad (00:40.75)
Absolutely not. So what sort of music do you play on the corporate show and what sort of stuff do you spin on the college side?

Reagan Bussey (00:47.498)
So the corporate one, it's an AOR rock station. And then at the college station, it's just 70s and 80s, no matter the genre or the artist. But with the corporate one, we have to play, you know, like Van Halen, Metallica, that kind of stuff. But then I'll play like Sparks or Roxy music on the college station, just something a little different.

Chad (01:13.198)
Sure.

Sounds cool. I had a college station college radio show back in the day like 89 back in the day So a lot different but it was it was fun and I had like a you know I was the new guy so I had the really awful shift I think my shift was like 6 to 10 a.m. On Sunday morning So nobody listened and I could do whatever I wanted, you know Say whatever I wanted within reason and play whatever I just felt like playing and they just had this massive record library

Reagan Bussey (01:21.794)
Mm-hmm. Ha ha ha.

Reagan Bussey (01:35.96)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (01:44.144)
time. And you know, they had small shelf full of CDs because you know, that was just sort of become a thing. But I used to just go dig in the stacks and find something I never heard of before and just play it. Like, sort of this discover things right alongside my listeners. And then I used to also

Reagan Bussey (01:55.162)
Mm-hmm. Ha ha.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Now that's cool.

Chad (02:02.738)
Oh yeah, I used to fill in for other shows, you know, sort of pinch hit for people. If, you know, somebody had a hangover or they just, you know, needed to go to a party and didn't want to do their night shift or whatever. And I did everything from I think I did a punk show one time. I did a metal show. Got a lot of grief for that because metal was just not my genre at that point in my life. You know, and they were playing like really deep, dark metal, like death metal stuff. And I just wasn't into it. I didn't know what I was playing.

Reagan Bussey (02:23.14)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (02:30.343)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (02:32.612)
like a 10 song list and beyond that I had to fill in two more hours. So, you know, so it was like getting phone calls like, why are you playing this? This is awful. But, you know, anyway, it was, it was a good time. So yeah, I mean, oh, sorry, go ahead.

Reagan Bussey (02:35.586)
Yeah

Reagan Bussey (02:40.38)
Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (02:44.982)
So what do you do now? What do you, yeah.

What do you do for a living?

Chad (02:51.018)
So I'm actually a technology director for an arts organization.

Reagan Bussey (02:56.482)
Okay, cool.

Chad (02:58.218)
Yeah, so I've been doing that for a long time. I've been with the organization that I'm with now for just over 10 years. And it's great, it's real fun.

Reagan Bussey (03:09.738)
Mm-hmm, that is cool.

Chad (03:14.73)
Yeah, so I think, you know, one of the things that we talked about in the lead up to recording tonight was playlists and mixtapes, right? Because I think, you know, you being a DJ and just me being a music geek all my life.

Reagan Bussey (03:23.008)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (03:28.606)
You know, it's one of the best forms of self-expression and it just is so rewarding to put together a bangin' playlist nowadays. Like even still, I'll just sit there and be like, wow, these two songs would really go well together and then I kinda just flesh it out and build from there. So, you know, what was your earliest experience and your earliest memories of making mixes in whatever format they were?

Reagan Bussey (03:32.906)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (03:36.566)
Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (03:41.639)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (03:54.142)
Um, my dad was real big into like burning CDs. So probably when I was a kid, that was one of the first experiences that I had. We had, you know, one of those, uh, those things that you put CDs in and it's like, it zips up, I don't know what the, like the CD cases and they would just be filled with different albums that my dad had like, you know, ripped off of online and stuff that we had made.

And so that was probably my earliest experiences. I was a little too late for the cassette thing, but I did that later in life. I have a JVC double deck cassette player. So I actually have a mixtape that I made last summer. I guess we'll talk about that a little bit later on. But then of course, when Spotify and Apple Music became a thing, I would create playlists. But I was a...

I didn't become a real big playlist person until recently. I was very much a listen to the album, listen to one particular artist at one time. So that's been my experience with making mixes and playlists.

Chad (05:01.11)
That's so cool. And the fact that you said like you're an album person, you don't find that so much anymore. Like, you know, especially with a lot of artists nowadays that they're not making albums, right? They're just putting out singles or just, they don't even call them singles anymore, just songs. So, so when, you know, listening to an album and sort of digging into that artist's vision and, you know, how they wanted to sequence everything and, and how they have it laid out. Um, I think it enhances the experience, you know,

Reagan Bussey (05:06.891)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (05:12.183)
Mm-hmm. Yeah

Reagan Bussey (05:29.714)
I think so too, yeah. When I get into an artist, I just listen to their... That's how I got into Steely Dan. Whenever I'd heard Glamour Profession and I was like, oh my God, this is amazing. I have to go listen to all their music. So I started at the top, listened to Camp By Thrill all the way through and just went through each album in order.

Chad (05:53.754)
And the funny thing is Steely Dan's a bad example of the whole album sequencing thing because if you read old interviews with them they're like, we don't make albums. We write songs and we put things together based on tempo or how it feels. There's no story to be told. Every song stands alone. So it's kind of funny. But that's interesting.

Reagan Bussey (05:57.459)
Yeah

Reagan Bussey (06:06.29)
Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (06:10.16)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (06:14.778)
Yeah, like it's fun listening. I'm a huge... Queen was like the first band that I ever really got into without the influence of my parents and so Queen too is like a good example of you got to listen to that album from start to finish because they bleed over into the next song same with Dark Side of the Moon So I love albums that do that and kind of continuously become one large song and it really has a theme to it

Chad (06:42.233)
Yeah.

Oh, I love that too. And it's funny you mentioned Queen because back in 1980, when another one Bites the Dust came out, I was eight years old and I was obsessed with that song and it was one of the first LPs that I bought with my allowance money. You know, I think the Xanadu soundtrack was actually my first and I think Queen was my second. So putting that on and listening just that whole song sequence, it was one of the first Queen albums I think were the Synthesizers or the

Reagan Bussey (06:44.042)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (06:58.599)
Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (07:06.107)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, it was. That's so funny. The first LP that I ever bought was The Game also. Yeah. Yeah, The Game and Dire Straits' debut album were the first two records that I ever bought.

Chad (07:12.648)
blew me away.

Chad (07:18.303)
Really?

That's crazy.

Chad (07:28.69)
Nice. What's your collection like nowadays?

Reagan Bussey (07:31.882)
Um, it's a lot of just different things that I find at thrift stores on eBay. I think I have like 300 records now. I've got some, I've got cassettes and I've got a bunch of singles that I don't listen to, so they're just decoration at this point. But yeah, it's just a, yeah, way more trouble.

Chad (07:53.714)
Yeah, they're more trouble than they're worth.

Reagan Bussey (07:57.214)
And like if I had a jukebox, my dream is to own a jukebox and put all of the singles in there, but that kind of, it's so expensive to try and find it or at least one that's in working order. I mean who works on jukeboxes anymore? Yeah, exactly.

Chad (08:09.374)
Yeah, and trying to maintain that thing. Right, oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, that'd be cool. It's funny, I went that direction too. Like, you know, everything was physical media. At one point I had like, I think almost 2,800 CDs. And then we moved.

Reagan Bussey (08:15.35)
But yeah. Mm-hmm.

Chad (08:27.11)
into a very small apartment. So I had to get rid of them. I didn't get rid of all the CDs. I put them back into the zipper cases that they had sort of gotten out of. I used to have them in bookcases, you know, in the living room and it was like a whole centerpiece. But I ended up putting them, you know, getting rid of the jewel cases, throwing them into the folders and just putting them in storage after carefully ripping them all to my computer.

Reagan Bussey (08:29.504)
Yeah

Reagan Bussey (08:37.026)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (08:50.461)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (08:51.354)
And over time, I just went full digital. Spotify, iTunes, before Spotify, whatever. But now, I'm just starting to rebuild my vinyl collection. So somewhere in my garage, I have a crate full of some of the albums that I kept from being a kid and stuff. And I have boxes of cassettes and the garage as well. And I just started to buy albums that I never had to begin with, especially Steely Dan. So I picked up Asia.

Reagan Bussey (08:55.928)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (09:03.364)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (09:09.396)
Oh cool.

Reagan Bussey (09:18.132)
Right, yeah.

Chad (09:21.168)
Galcho, are you familiar with a band called Marvelous 3?

Reagan Bussey (09:26.43)
Yeah, I've heard the name, but I've never listened to him.

Chad (09:30.322)
You should check them out. We'll talk about them because they're on my on my playlist, but um, I Bought their new album when it came out on vinyl that they just put a new record out after I don't know I think the last record came out in like 2001 or something So like 20 something years and they finally reunited and put a new record out and I was thrilled So pre-order that bad boy got it on orange vinyl Yeah

Reagan Bussey (09:43.042)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (09:51.607)
Mm-hmm. Ooh. I know colored vinyl is always the way to go. I don't like buying new vinyl because it's expensive and I'm very cheap. But you know, there's specific things that I like. Like I've got Station a Station by David Bowie and it's on this translucent orange vinyl and it's beautiful. Mm-hmm.

Chad (10:11.082)
Oh, that's cool. I just got the reissue of Zeppelin IV and it's clear vinyl. So that's kind of pretty. Yeah, I just don't have a record player.

Reagan Bussey (10:16.639)
Mmm. Ooh. Oh, man.

You don't have a record player? Man.

Chad (10:23.014)
I made this decision. I don't, I made the decision to start, you know, building vinyl collection and I was like, you know what, I'll just have to wait until I really get a hankering to hear something and I'll just have to, you know, it's I want to invest and get a decent system and, and you know, have it someplace where I can like really enjoy it. And you know, I just need to take care of some stuff in the house to make that happen. But soon, you know, soon. So I'm making myself go down that road because I know I'm going to get there.

Reagan Bussey (10:38.068)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (10:41.526)
Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (10:44.961)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (10:50.618)
Yeah, I know I have a very cheap system. My record player, I mean it's like the entry level Audio-Technica, but I mean it's a good record player, but like my amplifier is an old home sound system from when I was, it's probably 20 years old, and somehow it works. And the speakers I have are two that I bought from the thrift store for maybe five bucks.

Chad (11:03.788)
Yeah.

Chad (11:11.834)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (11:19.358)
I have a very, very cheap system. I'm trying to save some money so I can buy a better one. Because my speakers are going out on me, unfortunately.

Chad (11:20.898)
Hahaha

Chad (11:27.094)
Yeah, but the old stuff, well yeah, now you gotta get new ones, but sometimes the old stuff sounds better. I mean, it was just made better, all the solid state components and all that. So yeah, cool.

Reagan Bussey (11:31.594)
Yeah. Mmhmm.

Reagan Bussey (11:38.294)
Yeah.

Chad (11:40.326)
So, playlists and Queen and mixtapes and everything else. Thank you for making, one of the things that I've been asking guests to do is, come prepared to talk about music, right? Because that's what this is all about, but also in the sort of invitation that I send out, as you know, it's like, hey, send me a playlist, right? Let me take a look at what you're listening to and get a feel for your music taste. So you sent me a great one.

Reagan Bussey (11:42.93)
Oh yeah!

Reagan Bussey (11:52.491)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (12:02.187)
Yeah.

Chad (12:04.414)
Some stuff I know, some artists that I really know, but just don't know the particular tracks that you picked out. Like I think there's slightly deeper cuts, which is kind of cool, but just a great blend. You know, I'm just looking at it right now. So Heart, Little Queen, love that song. Bootsy Collins, Parliament, Flashlight, you know, eternal favorite.

Reagan Bussey (12:10.465)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (12:21.132)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (12:31.082)
Duran Duran, Girls on Film. So like you've really got the classic rock thing nailed and then you're moving out into the whole funk world and then back around to the 80s. So like I'm digging the flow.

Reagan Bussey (12:37.502)
Yeah.

Chad (12:44.31)
And I see you put two Steely Dan songs on and what's really making me happy is that you picked my rival. Tell me about that.

Reagan Bussey (12:51.838)
I love, love that song and I feel like I always get a lot of hate because I like that song. Like, you know, I'm in those Steely Dan groups on Facebook and they'll, like every month or so somebody will post their ranking of Gaucho and it, like my rival is always the last one or like one of the last two. I'm like, it's a great song. I don't understand why I get the hate for that.

Chad (13:19.53)
I don't get why it gets the hate either. I mean, it starts out with this sort of, you know, almost sinister, like carousel organ kind of thing, right? And then it just right turns into this, this nasty groove. And it's, you know, such a good story song, right? I mean, just the characters in it and how Fagin kind of unwinds it. Yeah, it's, you know, it's one of my favorites. Straight up. So.

Reagan Bussey (13:21.708)
Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (13:28.403)
Yeah!

Reagan Bussey (13:33.164)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (13:40.004)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (13:43.378)
Yeah, it's definitely one of my favorites too. It's definitely... Oh, go ahead.

Chad (13:51.334)
Oh no, I was gonna say, I think the Gaucho album gets a lot of unwarranted hate from even Deep Steely Dan fans.

Reagan Bussey (14:00.074)
Yeah, I don't understand why. Like, Gaucho is probably my favorite Steely Dan album just because of the instrumentation and the storylines in the songs, to me at least. I think that's what makes the album so great is I think, okay, this may be a little out there, but my theory about this album is it's a concept album about seven different losers and it takes you like kind of a day in their life. And

what they do and why they're losers. So I don't know if that's what they were thinking or just me being a conspiracy theorist, but that's how I see this album.

Chad (14:41.558)
Yeah, it's the darkest album in their catalog for sure. And I think it's definitely every character is somebody that you just probably don't wanna hang out with, right? Definitely got that loser thing going on. So yeah, but it's, you know, I mean, the circumstances behind the recording of the album, you know.

Reagan Bussey (14:44.26)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (14:51.654)
Right, yeah.

Reagan Bussey (14:57.156)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (15:04.654)
were sort of at the end of their partnership and Walter being in the hospital and getting hit by a car and his girlfriend ODing and all that stuff happening. I think it just put a real dark spin on everything.

Reagan Bussey (15:16.752)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (15:19.042)
There's also a conspiracy theory since you mentioned that. There's a conspiracy theory that they had way better, quote unquote better songs written that they were gonna record. But because this was kind of like a grudge album because of the whole record deal thing with MCA, they said that Fagen sabotaged it and recorded the worst songs that he had in his pocket just to get it out the door. I don't think I believe that though.

Reagan Bussey (15:36.784)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (15:47.162)
I love that theory because it just seems like something that he would do. Because that's what they say about "The Second Arrangement", that they intentionally erased it so MCA wouldn't make as much money off of the album. I want to believe that theory, but I don't think it's true.

Chad (15:53.102)
Hahaha

Chad (16:03.71)
Right. Yeah.

I don't think so either. And if those are the worst songs he had, then they're better than, you know, 80% of the other artists out there could ever hope to write, so. Ha ha ha.

Reagan Bussey (16:09.213)
Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (16:15.833)
Right.

Chad (16:21.43)
Yeah, cool. So what do you take into consideration? And we can back up to mixed CDs and mixed tapes if you want, but like when you're putting together a collection, who's the audience? Is it sometimes for somebody else? Is it just for you? What's your consideration going into making a mix? Like do you start with just a song you can't get out of your head and then build it out from there? Like walk me through that process for you.

Reagan Bussey (16:44.618)
So for me, when I make playlists, it's based on moods, I guess. Like, what if I'm in a certain mood, like I want a fast-paced, like a hype playlist, I guess you would call it. I build my playlist around that. Or like times of day almost, like at night, I want to listen to softer music. Like I don't want to listen to Motley Crue at 10 PM. So kind of a softer playlist. And

Then in the mornings, you know, when I'm trying to wake up, I'll listen to that more fast paced playlist. So it's based on moods and feeling sort of not necessarily a specific song to start out and finding the vibe, like a matching vibe with that song.

Chad (17:30.474)
Makes sense. Side note before I follow up on that, favorite Motley Crue song.

Reagan Bussey (17:37.418)
Hmm either knock him dead kid or too fast for love

Chad (17:45.834)
Wow, okay, both good choices. Live Wire is mine, 1000%. I never get sick of that song. Yeah, and you know, Tommy Lee's meter, oh yeah, it is. Yeah, the whole thing is great, but Tommy Lee's drum playing on that song. It's fast, it's furious, the meter is way off, but it doesn't matter because it just kicks so much ass. You know?

Reagan Bussey (17:50.282)
Ugh, what a great song. That first album is just phenomenal. Yeah. Ugh.

Reagan Bussey (18:07.186)
Yeah. You know, I play drums and that's one of my favorite songs to play. I love playing any Motley Crue stuff. Like when I first got into Motley Crue, that kind of was like, Oh, I'm going to start playing drums so I can learn how to do all this kind of stuff. Like the double bass and he's got the cowbell and stuff in that song. It's just such a fun song to play.

Chad (18:30.706)
Oh yeah, it's a workout. That song's a workout for sure. All right, so sorry, so back to the whole playlist thing. I just hear Motley Crue and I'm like, I love Motley Crue and I don't listen to them nearly enough anymore. So do you intentionally move things around in a playlist because one thing flows better after the other or do you just go with the mood and just throw stuff in and just let it shuffle?

Reagan Bussey (18:32.242)
Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (18:38.943)
Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (18:54.586)
I just let it shuffle. I used to be super big into letting the songs crossfade into each other. And so I would move them around and be like, oh this would sound so good going into this one. Or I'll unintentionally do it if I have it on shuffle. I'm like, there was a really cool transition. It was a Steely Dan song that transitioned into a Led Zeppelin song. I can't remember either of the songs that it was.

I'm gonna spend the rest of my life trying to find that transition and recreate it.

Chad (19:26.853)
Yes, I love that when you get the perfect blend.

Reagan Bussey (19:30.498)
Mm-hmm. Well, what about you? How do you build your playlists and all that kind of stuff?

Chad (19:38.254)
Well, it's so funny because Spotify and even iTunes before it really just changed, you know, the way because, you know, you throw stuff in a playlist and you can drag it around and change it and sequence it any way you want later. And even, you know, change it six months after that. Right. But back in the day, making a mixtape or even a mixed CD, like you really had to map it out. Right. So, you know, when I used to make actual cassettes, I would sit with I said like a little notepad and a pen that I would just sit and write down song names and then just like, you know, cross them out and move.

Reagan Bussey (19:52.235)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (19:57.715)
Right.

Chad (20:08.228)
one up and cross one out and move one down and you know kind of think had to think through like okay what's the story I'm trying to tell here right if I was making a mix for myself just to play in the car or something I wouldn't spend that much time on it but if I was making a mix for a friend or a girlfriend or a girl I wanted to be my girlfriend you know something like that then I would I would put way too much thought into it

Reagan Bussey (20:09.191)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (20:16.061)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (20:20.82)
Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (20:28.93)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (20:30.634)
you know, and trying to sort of tell the story through the songs, whether it was lyrically or musically. Um, moving into the CD era, you know, same thing. I mean, it was a little easier to move things around because you had to stage all of your files and then, you know, burn them, right? So you, you had some time to kind of mess around. You didn't have to do analog one after the other, like on tape. Um, but I still used to spend a fair amount of time trying to make sure that the songs fit something, right? Whether it was a vibe or, you know, I wouldn't.

Reagan Bussey (20:36.084)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (20:45.525)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (20:50.633)
Right.

Reagan Bussey (20:57.034)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (21:00.568)
do crazy transitions just because they worked, right? Like they would just be like a weird set of songs that would just sort of fit together for whatever reason, you know, thematically. Funny story, and my wife asked me to tell this because I told her we're gonna be talking about mixed tapes and mixed CDs and stuff, but when I was first...

Reagan Bussey (21:03.414)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (21:08.45)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (21:22.806)
We were friends for a bit before we started dating. And when I realized that I kind of wanted to be more than friends, she was kind of seeing some other guy, you know, nothing crazy, but I was a little jealous and I made her a mix CD and track one was, I want to be your lover by Prince.

Reagan Bussey (21:41.516)
Hey, you just gotta get straight to the point.

Chad (21:44.394)
At the time, I thought it was like a baller move. Looking back now, it's a little bit cringy, but you know, hey, it works, right? I mean, you know, 19 years later, we're still married. Ha ha ha.

Reagan Bussey (21:46.998)
Yeah

It worked! Yeah! Hehehehe

Chad (21:55.286)
So yeah, I mean, I always try to consider what the end goal of giving somebody the mix was. I had a couple friends that we would always trade tapes in later CDs and stuff, and it was always more about discovery, right? It was like, oh, you've never heard this band? Well, let me make you a mix tape with three or four of their best songs peppered into it or whatever. And then with the Spotify thing, I'm on Twitter a lot and I used to do...

Reagan Bussey (22:07.658)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (22:13.514)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (22:22.578)
of these music challenges. I don't know if you're familiar. I feel like Facebook might have something similar if you're on Facebook. So you know people will post like a theme for the month right so it's like you know a song with the word blue in it, a song with the word green in it, things like that like you know and then you've got to come up with something and people post at a certain time every night.

Reagan Bussey (22:26.858)
Mm.

Maybe, yeah.

Reagan Bussey (22:41.535)
Yeah.

Chad (22:45.254)
So for a while there, I was participating in a lot of those challenges and I was making playlists based on some of the stuff that I did. So I got some really cool themes, you know, out of those. I think really my Spotify stuff is, you know, A, again, it's making people playlists because I want them to hear things that I want them to hear. Right. But I think they need to hear. And I think for me, it's also just.

Reagan Bussey (22:52.514)
Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool,

Reagan Bussey (23:05.253)
Mm-hmm.

Right, or if someone happens to be... Oh no, go ahead.

Chad (23:13.851)
No, no, you go.

Reagan Bussey (23:15.614)
You gotta make your playlists and, because if somebody's following you, they gotta think you're cool and stuff like that. It's all just for other people, it's not for yourself.

Chad (23:26.946)
That's right, absolutely. Yeah, and then for myself, it's just, you know, I have the one that I sent you is, I've been doing these things called like, you know, Chad's picks or cura- I think the current series I'm on is curated favorites. And what it is like-

it's my kind of placeholder for discovery, right? So when I find a cool song I never heard before, something new, somebody turns me on to a new artist or whatever, I'll throw something into that playlist. If I'm just in the car and Spotify's on shuffle and it's throwing me random stuff, you know, some deep cut that I knew 20 years ago might come on and I'm like, wow, I haven't heard that song in a long time. So I'll throw it on my playlist so I can go back to it. And that's what I've been doing with those. And then when each one of those gets up to about,

Reagan Bussey (24:04.65)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (24:12.624)
200, 250 songs. I just started a new one so they don't get too unwieldy, you know.

Reagan Bussey (24:16.852)
Yeah.

Chad (24:25.706)
Yeah, so, and the other thing I think, you know, with the mixed tapes.

I actually dug out a bunch of old cassettes, just came across them in a box, and took it upon myself to take pictures and scan the inserts, because not only, and I don't know if you did this with CDs, I did it with CDs, but it started with tapes. I used to make custom covers for everything. I would sit and go through magazines and cut out pictures and get a glue stick and just make collages and all kinds of fun stuff. So did you ever do any of that with mixed CDs?

Reagan Bussey (24:50.367)
Yeah!

Reagan Bussey (24:56.641)
Mm.

Reagan Bussey (25:00.754)
No, I never did that sort of thing. That was kind of after, like, when I was growing up, like, we didn't really make CDs. That was kind of at the start of the MP3 player era. So that was a little before me. My dad used to do that. Like, he would make stuff online and print it out and stick it in the CD case.

Chad (25:13.601)
Right.

Chad (25:17.378)
Got it.

Chad (25:25.194)
Yeah, that's fun. I think it's part of the whole thing. Yeah, so I don't know, is there anything else you wanna talk about in terms of bands you're listening to right now? Anything new, anything old? What's on your mind?

Reagan Bussey (25:42.329)
Uh...

listening to I've been doing a deep dive into Brian Eno at the moment. I've been a Roxy music fan for a long time and one of my favorite movies of all time is Velvet Goldmine with Christian Bale and it has a phenomenal soundtrack and I listened to Babies on Fire from Brian Eno's Here Comes the Warm Jets and I was like I need to listen to this album all the way through so I listened to that one and I'm trying to make my way

through his entire discography. And then it gets a little weird kind of in the late 70s, early 80s, but I'm still trying to push through and listen to it.

Chad (26:26.77)
Is that when he started to go like real electronic and was working with Robert Fripp and that whole scene? Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (26:30.398)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, doing the ambience music kind of thing.

Chad (26:36.874)
Right. Yeah, I could never get into that kind of stuff. I mean, I appreciate it, I respect it, but I just like, I don't purposely go put it on and listen to it. Maybe if it's in the background, you know?

Reagan Bussey (26:46.266)
Right. Yeah, something like that, but I'm not gonna, you know, try and do something else while listening to it. I'll listen to something else that is a little more interesting or engaging, if that makes sense.

Chad (27:02.27)
Yeah, absolutely.

Reagan Bussey (27:04.458)
But tell me about some of your cassettes. What were some of the songs on them?

Chad (27:13.69)
Oh, let me pull up the one that I was talking about with you before we started recording. So, even back in the day, you know...

If I was making my, all the ones that I found that I posted were ones that I made for myself. And a couple of them were more for convenience because I didn't have a CD player in my car, but I had a subscription to CMJ, New Music Monthly Magazine back in the day. And it used to come with an actual disc, right? So they would give you a sampler of like, you know, 15 songs or whatever. And it was a lot of fun because that was how you discovered music before the internet. So, I mean, it was one of the ways that I discovered music before the internet. So what I used to do is, you know, pop the disc in,

Reagan Bussey (27:32.498)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (27:38.37)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Chad (27:53.784)
and find the songs that I liked, and then I would just grab those and throw them on a tape so I could play them in the car. Right? And that also sort of evolved into me just, okay, you know, dubbing other stuff off of other tapes or CDs because, you know, hey, I wanna listen to this today or whatever, and I would just.

Reagan Bussey (28:00.386)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (28:15.062)
build up a tape over time, you know, not planned out necessarily and then just throw stuff on and see what's stuck with this one, I thought was a pretty good amalgam, you know, of all different things. So, side A leads off with Nasty Girl by Vanity Six. Ha ha ha.

Still one of the nastiest grooves I think ever. Prince obviously wrote it and produced it and I think he played all the instruments on it too. Love me some Prince. Then I spin off into It Was a Good Day by Ice Cube. And again, this is not a good example of sequencing. This is just random shit thrown on a tape. But Thieves Like Us by New Order is the third track. And then...

Reagan Bussey (28:37.054)
Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (28:44.865)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (28:54.654)
Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (28:58.707)
Ooh, good one.

Chad (29:03.214)
It's a B-side that's my favorite Cure song ever called Too Late. It's the number two late. Are you into the Cure at all?

Reagan Bussey (29:11.946)
little bit I need to I've got a couple of their cassettes I need to sit down and listen to them one of my listeners at the radio station he's a huge fan and so every week he'll try and request a cure song that I've more than likely never heard he's like I'm gonna turn you into a big fan of theirs eventually

Chad (29:31.506)
It's not a bad thing. They're one of my favorite bands, I think, you know, and it's something that started in the 80s when I was in high school and Yeah, I still go back to some of their early stuff and it's just great. So this was, I think this one was 1993 this tape. So then we're into like post grunge kind of stuff like Paul Westerberg, Sonic Youth. What else is on there? Smashing Pumpkins.

Reagan Bussey (29:32.767)
Yeah.

Chad (30:00.426)
But then I kind of take a left turn and pick up the pieces by average white band.

Reagan Bussey (30:05.718)
Yeah

Chad (30:07.39)
Um, classic, classic tune there. Uh, looking for clues by Robert Palmer. Are you familiar?

Reagan Bussey (30:14.634)
Yeah, that's a good song.

Chad (30:18.346)
Yeah, great, great track. And then Izzy Stradlin from Guns N' Roses did a solo album. Yeah, and he had a single out called Shuffle It All, and it's just a great song. It's just a blatant Rolling Stones ripoff, but you know, why not?

Reagan Bussey (30:22.666)
From Guns N' Roses, yeah.

Reagan Bussey (30:35.594)
Right.

Chad (30:38.906)
Let's see, then we go into some Lenny Kravitz, some Jane's Addiction, Jimmy Olsen's Blues by Spin Doctors. Spin Doctors retroactively seem to get a lot of hate, like people just look back on them as like this pseudo jam band kind of thing. And I don't know why, I always kind of liked them.

Reagan Bussey (30:54.818)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, that was a little before my time, I say that, but. But yeah, I never really listened to them. I knew, what's their big song called? The one that like everybody knows.

Chad (31:08.203)
Uh, oh. Little Miss can't be wrong.

Reagan Bussey (31:11.841)
Yeah.

Chad (31:18.006)
Yeah, I don't know why they get so much retroactive hate, but okay. And then U2, The Fly, I don't know why I picked that particular track off that album, but Octong Baby is one of my favorite albums ever. And I think it's probably my favorite U2 album.

Reagan Bussey (31:23.126)
Yeah

Reagan Bussey (31:32.607)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, it's a good one. I'm not a big YouTube fan, but I appreciate them. I understand why people like them.

Chad (31:44.286)
Yeah, that album was just such a turning point for them. It was, you know, really different. I mean, it sounded like nothing they had done before. I think, you know, I kind of got turned off by them a little bit with Joshua Tree. I felt like it was his Bono being pompous for 45 minutes. You know, there's some good music on the album.

Reagan Bussey (32:01.183)
Thank you, I have the same opinion of that album.

Chad (32:05.714)
Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, he got just a little bit too full of himself. The music is fabulous, you know, like the playing and you know, I'll, I'll die on this Hill that Larry Mullen Jr. and

Adam Clayton, the bass player, they're one of the most solid rhythm sections in any rock band. I mean, if you just listen to them play live, they are just locked in and they can just hold it down. But Bono just for a while there, it was just like, okay, dude. You know.

Reagan Bussey (32:25.362)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (32:30.369)
Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (32:36.242)
Yeah.

Chad (32:38.486)
But then he kind of came back with Octong Baby and just went over the top and started sort of making fun of himself and it was like, okay, he gets it. So then it was, they kind of pulled me back in a little bit. Let's see, then I wrap up with Seasons by Chris Cornell. You know that one?

Reagan Bussey (32:47.775)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (32:56.887)
I do not know that one.

Chad (33:00.51)
Okay, that one you need to go listen to. Great song, you know, and Chris Cornell's voice was just unmatched and you know, he did it, I think it was on the soundtrack for the movie Singles. You know, so it was like one of his only solo things of that era and I think he ended up coming out with his own albums, you know, later or whatever. And then I end off with Evangelion by Matthew Sweet, which is another great 90s album if you haven't heard it.

Reagan Bussey (33:03.81)
All right.

Reagan Bussey (33:08.211)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (33:12.471)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (33:20.349)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (33:28.534)
Hmm. That's a pretty cool... It... The one that I made. I wasn't sure... If ours would overlap at all, but... None of... None of what we did overlapped. Now that I'm looking back at the... The track listing.

Chad (33:51.914)
Yeah, which is funny because I like so much of the stuff that was on your playlist. So, and this again, this is just one example, but looking at the playlist that I sent you too, there's a couple of highlights. Let's see. So, Lazy Nina by Greg Phillinganes. I wasn't even aware of the song until a few months ago.

Reagan Bussey (33:56.672)
Mm.

Reagan Bussey (34:11.944)
That's such a great song.

Chad (34:15.698)
Right? And, you know, Fagen wrote it and I think plays on it and or maybe he doesn't play on it, but he basically gave it to Greg Phillinganes because, you know, Greg did such a great job. You know, he played most of the keyboards or all the keyboards or whatever on Nightfly, right?

Reagan Bussey (34:30.495)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (34:38.227)
through to see what else is standing out to me right now.

Reagan Bussey (34:43.362)
You got some Beatles on there? I am, yeah. I'm a huge Joe Walsh fan in general.

Chad (34:43.618)
James Gang, are you a James Gang fam? I do.

Chad (34:53.982)
I was really into some Joe Walsh stuff in college and right after. So like, Lights Been Good and Rocky Mountain Way, like those are just evergreen album rock sing-along in the car kind of songs.

Reagan Bussey (35:02.603)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (35:05.897)
Yeah.

Chad (35:08.454)
And I didn't make the connection with James Yang until much later. And, you know, Funk 49 is just an evergreen tune for me. Like it still shows up on playlists every once in a while. But they have a song called The Bomber, and it's kind of like a yeah, like a medley. And it's, you know, seven minutes long. Had no idea, right? Every band in the 70s, I think, has something like this where they would just mash two or three different songs together and, you know, make one long track out of it. But it's great, you know, and it made my playlist.

Reagan Bussey (35:22.557)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (35:34.474)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (35:37.808)
Let's see, what else? Are you into Frank Zappa at all?

Reagan Bussey (35:43.878)
I am, yeah. I'm starting, I'm in the beginning stages, so I just like Titties and Beer and Punkies Whips. Those are the two songs that I really, really like at the moment.

Reagan Bussey (35:57.75)
And of course as a drummer, I love Terry Bozio.

Chad (35:58.198)
Nice. Mighty players.

Oh God, yes. Everybody in his bands, especially the live bands, were like top notch musicians. Like you think Steely Dan were bad about, you know, like pushing studio musicians to their limits. I think Zappa was like, you know, just a taskmaster, right? At least all the stories that I've read.

Reagan Bussey (36:11.516)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (36:20.3)
Yeah.

Chad (36:24.034)
But you know, it worked. It worked because I think he got the best performances out of people and Terry Bozio, like, you know, people only really know him for, what was the 80s band he was in with Dale Bozio. Yes, Missing Persons. I love that stuff. A lot of people hate on it because it's that, you know. Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (36:26.139)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (36:33.906)
Missing Persons.

Reagan Bussey (36:40.106)
I do too, it's great, yeah.

But you know, it's the time and the place. It takes you back to that very, very specific moment in music when that's just what the sound was.

Chad (36:56.191)
Yeah, for sure.

Let's see what else. Brian Karloch, who I'm sure you know. I guess his wife put a record out recently.

Reagan Bussey (37:04.629)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (37:08.331)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (37:10.974)
I had no idea, but I think he posted about it, I want to say on his Instagram, so I went and listened to it and it's a pretty decent song, so I threw it on my playlist for later. What are your feelings on country music?

Reagan Bussey (37:19.362)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (37:27.415)
I really like 90s country music and you know I like George Jones and Johnny Cash but I really like 90s because that's what my mom liked when she was in high school so then we listened to it when I was a kid but uh but yeah I like I don't like modern country music because at our at the station group that I work for we're over four different stations that have very differing

Chad (37:42.138)
Right.

Reagan Bussey (37:53.298)
music genres. And so one of them is a country station. And when we schedule them and have to listen to them, it's all of that new country. And it's just terrible. Like the lyrics are super cheesy and just, you know, my dad and I make fun of it because every modern country song has like the same three or four elements in it. Like they have to talk about yeti coolers, trucks and mud. That's how you make a country song now.

Chad (38:19.48)
Ha ha

Yep, a thousand percent, I love that. Yeah, same. I mean, you know, I'm not a big country fan except for classic stuff like George Jones and like you said, Johnny Cash. I was asking because a couple of days ago, yeah, I'm still building this particular playlist and I was listening to Cake, the Fashion Nugget album and they do a cover of Sad Songs and Waltzes by Willie Nelson.

Reagan Bussey (38:48.784)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (38:48.942)
and I was listening to their version and I was like, God, I haven't heard the Willie Nelson version in forever. So I went and dug that up on Spotify and threw it in there. It's such a good song.

Reagan Bussey (38:57.642)
One of my favorite Willie Nelson albums, he does an album of American standard covers like Sunny Side of the Street, Someone to Watch Over Me, and it's a phenomenal album. He does a great job with them. So if you haven't listened to that album, I would highly check it out.

Chad (39:16.094)
Is that the one where it's kinda him and he plays a lot of like jazz guitar?

Reagan Bussey (39:20.93)
Kind of. It has a little bit more of a country twang to it, but it's still... You can tell that these are supposed to be like jazz songs.

Chad (39:29.207)
Okay.

Chad (39:33.802)
Right. Now I'm asking because Willie Nelson is one of the most underrated guitar players. I mean, if you just sit and listen to him play, he's just unreal. I mean, his chord voicings and, you know, a lot of the stuff that he wrote in the guise of country songs, like it just has like, you know, classical and jazz undertones to it. You know, it's amazing.

Reagan Bussey (39:45.698)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (40:01.511)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (40:04.438)
But you know, so many artists are just underappreciated for certain things because they get famous for something else, you know?

Reagan Bussey (40:08.738)
Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah, like I, um, I think that Joe Perry is a very underrated guitar player. Like, you know, people love Aerosmith, but I think when a lot of people think of Aerosmith, they think of their late 80s, 90s stuff and not their first like three or four albums, which are phenomenal albums.

Chad (40:31.347)
Oh yeah.

Reagan Bussey (40:33.886)
Yeah, I'm a big fan of a-

Chad (40:33.962)
Yeah, they really are. And he was like the...

Reagan Bussey (40:39.136)
Oh no, go ahead.

Chad (40:41.534)
Don't know, you guys.

Reagan Bussey (40:43.25)
Like those first three or four albums are just absolutely outstanding. They like, uh, their debut is really good. Get your wings is really good. And his guitar playing is just, you know, people don't talk about it enough, in my opinion, at least.

Chad (41:01.682)
Oh, I agree. And not only his lead guitar work, but like he's just, I don't know who wrote what in the band, but I'm assuming he brought a lot of the riffs to the table because they're just, you know, they're just great riffs. Like, I mean, they're so everything's so catchy with Aerosmith. But yeah, I agree. I think like they're 80s stuff. They got real sort of, you know, power ballad-y and...

Reagan Bussey (41:14.123)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (41:24.999)
Mm-hmm

Chad (41:30.238)
Yeah, it's funny, I was just reading an article, I forget where it was or what the actual topic was, but they were digging into how...

metal kind of died, you know, traditional metal sort of died in the in the late 80s or the early 90s with all the glam rock stuff and like Poison and Warrant and you know even some of the harder bands had to compete and do like these power ballads and like you know sort of cheesy songs to get on the radio and um

Reagan Bussey (41:48.571)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (42:00.169)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (42:01.174)
You know, it's like grunge didn't take over. It was just, it was just people stopped listening to everything else. You know.

Reagan Bussey (42:08.756)
Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (42:14.302)
Yeah, it's a very odd... Me and my dad have this theory that Skid Row's debut album was really the push towards grunge. Because I wouldn't consider that like a metal or a hair metal album. It has, I think, some of those early grunge influences. To me. I don't know. What do you think?

Chad (42:14.413)
Yeah.

Chad (42:37.886)
Yeah, I totally agree. I think they had a lot of punk energy to them. You know, and I think Sebastian Bach wasn't really a metal singer. I mean, like I don't think that was his first thing. You know, I feel like if I remember correctly reading about him and seeing interviews, he was like a theater kid. Right. So, or he was in a choir or something like that. So, I mean, like, you know, I don't think like he came up as, you know, wanted to be this rock star. He kind of stumbled into it. But yeah, no, they definitely had a grungier sound to them for sure.

Reagan Bussey (42:41.887)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (42:48.448)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (42:53.406)
Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (42:58.581)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (43:03.68)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (43:08.043)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (43:14.474)
So when was the last time you made like a...

Chad (43:15.286)
All right, great. Well, is there anything else you wanted to, oh.

Reagan Bussey (43:18.89)
When was the last time you made like a physical mixtape or like CD or cassette? I'm just curious since you're getting back into physical media.

Chad (43:29.898)
Yeah, no, that's a great question. I couldn't tell you the last CD I made probably when my wife and I got married. We got married like in December. So I, as a wedding favor, made everybody a Christmas CD, like a classic standard Christmas song CD. And I designed a cover for the CD that had

Reagan Bussey (43:50.053)
cool.

Chad (43:59.37)
The place we got married, they had like a brochure or something that had like some really cool artistic rendering of the building with like snow and stuff on it. So I used that and I photoshopped our names into it. And, you know, it came out, if I say so myself, it came out really nice. And we, we wrapped them up and, you know, gave them to people as a favor. So that was 2004.

Probably in the couple years after that, I might have made a few more, but I think my CD making was limited to giving them out at parties or making them for special occasions for people because a lot of people at that point still weren't going digital and still wanted physical media. So I was kind of forced to burn CDs if I wanted to share music with grandfathers and uncles and aunts and those types of folks.

Reagan Bussey (44:42.495)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (44:50.556)
birthday and I made a mix CD of just all stuff from his era all his favorite songs and we made copies for everybody and you know I'm actually admitting to piracy on YouTube right now but it's okay but yeah I mean that's what we did so I think I gotta say it was 2005 2006 I'm gonna guess

Reagan Bussey (45:00.738)
Hehehehe

Ha ha

Reagan Bussey (45:10.766)
Mm. Cool. You think you're gonna get back into it?

Chad (45:16.578)
I don't think so. I mean, I'm definitely, when I build this system that I'm planning on for, you know, for vinyl, I'm definitely gonna buy a CD player. I have a cassette deck, so, you know, I'm gonna be able to play all my tapes at some point. But since I have so many CDs, I would love to probably move them back into jewel cases so I can get to them, so I can actually take them out and play them without having to go through all the books. So we'll see.

Reagan Bussey (45:44.714)
Mm-hmm. Well, cool, cool.

Chad (45:51.998)
Yeah, well, is there anything else you wanted to cover? Anything else on your mind?

Reagan Bussey (45:57.382)
Um, I think that's it. I just, this is the only mixtape that I've ever made. I made it for a, um, one of my cousins. She lives in Oklahoma and I made it for her and I never sent it to her. I was gonna mail it to her and it just slipped my mind so I still have it. And it's, uh, I dated it. It was, uh, let's see.

June 12th, 2022. And I have the set list, or the track listing is a, it's an odd track listing, like the A side, I tried to make it themed like, the A side is more well-known songs, and the B side was like, you may not have heard these songs before, they're kind of weird, they're kind of out there, or they're deep cuts from well-known artists, on some of them. But it was a cool, still listen to it every now and then.

I ordered a Walkman last night in my late night eBay viewings. If I stay up too late, I'll end up ordering stuff off of eBay that I don't need.

Chad (47:00.397)
Cool. So what's on the tape? You want to give me some tracks?

Reagan Bussey (47:04.258)
Sure. So on side A it opens with I Can't Go For That by Hall & Oates. Then Stiletto by Billy Joel, Fool in the Rain, Zeppelin, You Might Think The Cars, Good Girls Don't by The Knack, Killer Queen, Never Tear Us Apart, INXS, Livin' Thing, ELO, Young Americans, David Bowie, and it ends with Life's Been Good. Then side B kicks off with When I'm With You by Sparks.

Chad (47:10.446)
Excellent choice.

Chad (47:29.641)
Oh.

Reagan Bussey (47:33.058)
Too Shy by Kajagoogoo, Love is the Drug, Roxy Music, Love My Way, Psychedelic Furs, On the Loose Saga, Word on a Wing, David Bowie, Big Log, Robert Plant, Hungry for You, The Police, and then I end it with The Golden Slumbers, Carry That Weight, The End, by The Beatles.

Chad (47:53.267)
Nice. Excellent.

Chad (47:57.635)
I love and just I think the left field song to me on that tape is Too Shy by Kajagoogoo, but it works like it fits.

Reagan Bussey (48:04.23)
Yeah, I love that song. I heard it in a movie. Do you remember that Netflix movie where it was the interactive one? And it was where the guy was making the video game where you could choose your own adventure?

Chad (48:21.162)
Yeah, it was like the black mirror thing or something. Yeah, yeah.

Reagan Bussey (48:23.294)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard that song in that movie for the first time and I'm like, wow, this is great. So I've been a fan of theirs ever since.

Chad (48:32.65)
Nice. So are you eventually gonna get that out in the mail?

Reagan Bussey (48:37.702)
I think so, maybe. This might be the time to do it now that I think about it. I'll finally get her a mixtape that I made for her.

Chad (48:44.702)
And speaking of Billy...

You should, I think she'd appreciate it. That was the other thing about mixtapes, is like when somebody made you one, it was like, wow, you spent all this time doing this for me, that's so cool, you know? Speaking of Billy Joel, did you hear that he's got a new single about to come out?

Reagan Bussey (48:56.355)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (49:04.222)
Yes, I'm very excited about it. It'll be his first new song since 1993. I'm very excited because River of Dreams isn't really my thing. I'm a big early Billy Joel fan so I'm not too big on Stormfront or that last album.

Chad (49:10.686)
Yeah, I know.

Chad (49:24.458)
Same. What's your favorite Billy Joel album?

Reagan Bussey (49:25.442)
Mm-hmm. Whew.

Chad (49:29.718)
Yeah, I know, hard decision. Ha ha ha.

Reagan Bussey (49:30.562)
Uh, either 52nd Street or An Innocent Man. It may be An Innocent Man. I love that album.

Chad (49:37.438)
Okay. Yeah, it's solid. And then talk about a concept album like that, that just takes all the boxes. I have to go Glass Houses for mine or Turnstiles. It's between, yeah, oh, the rock album, that's right. Or Turnstiles because Turnstiles was just such a...

Reagan Bussey (49:43.446)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Ah, the rock album.

Reagan Bussey (49:54.779)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (49:57.17)
sort of curve ball from him, you know, it was just a random collection of stuff, I feel like, but to me they all worked. And again, it was one of those first albums that I think I had when I was a kid. So holds a special place because I probably listened to it so much.

Reagan Bussey (49:59.164)
Mm-hmm.

Reagan Bussey (50:12.258)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, Turner's Souls is a good album and, you know, he had just moved back to New York or he was in the process of moving to New York. So he was in a different mindset than his first couple of albums. So it's an interesting one to listen to considering what was going on in his private life at the time.

Chad (50:31.21)
Yeah, oh for sure.

Chad (50:35.914)
All right, well cool. Hey, this has been great. I think we can, yeah, unless there's anything else you wanted to talk about, I think we can wrap it up.

Reagan Bussey (50:38.016)
Yeah!

Reagan Bussey (50:43.222)
Yeah, I believe that's it for me. Thank you for having me on. This was a lot of fun.

Chad (50:45.764)
Alright.

Yeah, same here and thank you for joining. I really appreciate you taking the time. And anything you want to plug, your podcast, your show.

Reagan Bussey (50:52.048)
Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (50:56.526)
Oh, you can listen to my podcast. It's called Reagan's Rewind where my co-host Anthony Craven and I, we take an album from the seventies or eighties. We trade off each week and we go through the track listing, do the album charts, singles charts, reviews, all that kind of stuff and just dissect it. So our next episode is the Mothership Connection by Parliament. So I'm very excited about it.

Chad (51:22.126)
Good one, love that album. I can't wait to hear it. I will be subscribing. Absolutely. Of course. Yeah, well, let's get the word out. Great, so thanks again. Wonderful talking to you and we'll talk soon.

Reagan Bussey (51:23.505)
Mm-hmm.

Oh, well thank you, thank you. Thank you, I appreciate it. Hopefully some of you out there will too.

Reagan Bussey (51:38.999)
Yeah.

Reagan Bussey (51:42.305)
Yeah.

Chad (51:45.066)
All right.

Reagan Bussey (51:46.518)
All right.